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		<title><![CDATA[Travelojos&#8217;s Steve Roll interviews Ben Box]]></title>
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In this interview, Steve Roll of Travelojos talks with Ben Box, author of the South American Handbook, about Peru&#8217;s struggle against the perception that Cuzco is all there is to Peru. Ben points out some interesting alternatives to Machu Picchu and shares why he thinks it&#8217;s safe to visit certain regions of Peru and Chile that remain unaffected by the recent natural catastrophes.

STEVE ROLL &#8211; The area surrounding Peru&#8217;s main attraction, Machu Picchu, was hit hard by floods last month and won&#8217;t be available to tourists until April. Even before ...


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<p id="top" /><em>In this interview, Steve Roll of <a href="http://travelojos.com/">Travelojos</a> talks with Ben Box, author of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/South-American-Handbook-2010-Footprint/dp/1906098719/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1269294034&amp;sr=1-2">South American Handbook</a>, about Peru&#8217;s struggle against the perception that Cuzco is all there is to Peru. Ben points out some interesting alternatives to Machu Picchu and shares why he thinks it&#8217;s safe to visit certain regions of Peru and Chile that remain unaffected by the recent natural catastrophes.</em></p>
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<p><strong>STEVE ROLL &#8211; The area surrounding Peru&#8217;s main attraction, Machu Picchu, was hit hard by floods last month and won&#8217;t be available to tourists until April. Even before the flood, I&#8217;ve heard some people say that Machu Picchu was &#8220;over-hyped.&#8221; Do you agree with this sentiment?</strong></p>
<p>BEN BOX &#8211; I don’t think “over-hyped” is the right word. Machu Picchu is definitely worth seeing, but I think that it and the Inca Trail have, in tourism terms, grown out of proportion to the context in which visitors will find them. They are part of the entire rich Inca heritage which we are fortunate to see so much of today. That heritage exists in Cuzco city and all the other sites of the Sacred Valley and elsewhere in Peru. The other problem is that Machu Picchu and the Inca Trail have become almost synonymous so that people think that if you can’t experience one, you can’t experience the other. But there are many other trails to hike, mountain bike rides, etc, with or without an archaeological site as the goal. Likewise, there is a certain view that Cuzco IS Peru and that if you can’t go to Cuzco you are missing Peru (or conversely, if you have been to Cuzco you have been to Peru). Peru’s tourism authorities recognize this and are promoting other areas, but it is a perception that is hard to shift.</p>
<p><strong>SR &#8211; Could you recommend some alternative sites in Peru?</strong></p>
<p>BB &#8211; There are hundreds: it depends on what interests you but obviously if Machu Picchu was your destination of choice then archaeology is what you’re looking for. In the Cuzco area, the city itself has Sacsayhuaman, Qoricancha, as well as the colonial buildings erected on top of Inca foundations. But do check before going that it is appropriate to visit now. An increasingly popular, and tough trek is to the Inca city of Choquequirao. And you can also find out whether sites in the Sacred Valley are open for visiting. Don’t forget that the Incas were the last in very long line of cultures in Peru. </p>
<p>On the South coast there are the Nazca Lines and nearby are the popular tourist spots of Ica and Paracas. Also in southern Peru is the city of Arequipa and, not far away, the tremendous Colca and Cotahuasi Canyons. </p>
<p>In the Cordillera Blanca (one of Peru’s prime hiking and climbing destinations) is the important and formative culture at Chavín. </p>
<p>On the North coast archaeological sites stretch from Caral, one of the earliest urban sites anywhere in the world, to the Moche and Chimú cities near Trujillo, to more Moche sites and Lambayeque cultures near Chiclayo. Further north still are the beaches around Máncora. In the northern highlands, the city of Cajamarca is a good starting point for the fascinating archaeological remains around Chachapoyas. And in all areas you can enjoy activities such as trekking, horse riding, surfing, biking and birdwatching. </p>
<p>That’s just a few suggestions based on historical tourism, but to that you can add the northern jungles around Iquitos and Pucallpa and the southern rainforest national parks at Manu and Tambopata. And that is without mentioning Lake Titicaca, the train ride to Huancayo and the Central Highlands – here again, though, the rains have caused problems so you would need to verify that transport and other services are back to normal.</p>
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<p><strong>SR &#8211; Have you ever experienced a situation involving a natural disaster in South America? If so, how did you handle it?</strong></p>
<p>BB &#8211; No, I have never experienced a natural disaster. Occasionally there have been delays caused by the weather or by industrial action, but with a little patience and flexibility, most inconveniences can be overcome. But my experiences are nothing like the hardship suffered by those who are currently affected.</p>
<p><strong>SR &#8211; Peru and, to some extent, Chile, must be experiencing sharp declines in tourists. How would you suggest that travelers gauge when it would be safe to visit either of those countries?</strong></p>
<p>BB &#8211; I don’t see why they are unsafe now. Both countries have areas that are unaffected by the catastrophes that have hit the headlines. With respect for those affected areas and the strain that is being put on some parts of the infrastructure, there should be no problem in visiting other parts of the two countries. Peru I have dealt with above.  Lima airport was not flooded so you can fly anywhere in the country. Also the coastal Panamerican Highway and many of the road routes into the Sierra should be OK (once again, ask before setting out what conditions are like).</p>
<p>You can combine northern Chile with southern Peru and Bolivia (but note that parts of Bolivia have also suffered from flooding). North from Santiago, you can visit La Serena and Elqui Valley and, further north still, the Atacama desert and the altiplano. The far south, Patagonia and the southernmost Lakes are also OK to visit. It may be best to look into crossing from Argentina to these parts rather than flying into Santiago. Above all, show support; if practical take donations and try to get them as close to those in need as possible. Buy Chilean wine, as the main grape-growing areas have been severely damaged.</p>
<p><strong>SR &#8211; If you could pick any place in South America to be right now, where would it be and why?</strong></p>
<p>BB &#8211; It would be good to be in Curicó in Chile, helping friends. Or likewise in the Peruvian highlands… Failing that, I don’t mind. It would be great to be in South America instead of stuck in front of my computer. Anywhere will do&#8230;</p>
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<p><em>Find out more about Ben Box&#8217;s </em>South American Travel Handbook<em> on <a href="http://www.footprintbooks.com">www.footprintbooks.com</a> – look for the redesign and upgrade of  Footprint’s digital presence (if not immediately then very soon).</em></p>


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		<title><![CDATA[Flor and the Mystery Waterfall]]></title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie Kwak</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was beautiful there so high above the town of Celendín:  eucalyptus trees marched in single file as windbreaks edging the fields, their bark peeling off in long strips, their dried leaves crunching underfoot.  They smelled fresh and faintly herbal.  Some of the fields look recently tilled, but most were still fallow for the winter months.  Ghosts of corn stalks rustled like paper in the wind.  We were trespassing, cutting through fields on hard-packed footpaths, skirting far from the adobe farmhouses.  I was nervous—where I'm from, the reaction to strangers cutting through your field is suspicion at best.


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<p id="top" />When I first asked Flor if there was a waterfall nearby, her answer wasn&#8217;t convincing.  She nodded in a vague way, as though humoring me.  &#8220;Sí,&#8221; she said, and jerked her chin at the ravine to the north.  &#8220;Me esperan, wait for me.  I&#8217;m going that way, too.&#8221;<br />
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She disappeared into the eucalyptus grove to fetch her second horse.</p>
<p>It was beautiful there so high above the town of Celendín:  eucalyptus trees marched in single file as windbreaks edging the fields, their bark peeling off in long strips, their dried leaves crunching underfoot.  They smelled fresh and faintly herbal.  Some of the fields look recently tilled, but most were still fallow for the winter months.  Ghosts of corn stalks rustled like paper in the wind.  We were trespassing, cutting through fields on hard-packed footpaths, skirting far from the adobe farmhouses.  I was nervous—where I&#8217;m from, the reaction to strangers cutting through your field is suspicion at best, and I had no idea what etiquette in rural Peru was.</p>
<p>Flor came back, leading her reluctant horses, and began to shoo her lost gringos down the path.  The sun was slanting into afternoon and casting long pointed shadows from the agave that lined the field.<br />
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Flor&#8217;s answer may not have been convincing, but she was the best shot that we had.  We had heard about the waterfall at Pilco from a local hostel owner, but no one else had been able to confirm it.  Not the old men in the Plaza de Armas, not the taxi drivers, not the shop owners.  We were told about waterfalls in nearly every other part of the countryside, but Pilco?  No.  Definitely not.</p>
<p>Celendín doesn&#8217;t get many foreign visitors unless they&#8217;re like us, making the trip from Cajamarca to Chachapoyas and stuck for the night.  The town is set in a valley beneath plump hills that seem overripe and burst open, like scarred tomatoes.  Long narrow strips of rough shrubs and stones remain on the hill in those places where it was too steep to plow.  </p>
<p>Against all advice, we took a taxi up into those hills to the village of Pilco, following the directions the hostel owner had given us.  The taxi driver got out at the green house we&#8217;d been given as a landmark and called out the señora there.  Were there waterfalls nearby? he asked.  She shook her head and pursed out her lips in a “no.”  She yelled to a neighbor.  No waterfalls.</p>
<p>No matter.  We set our through the field, following the directions we&#8217;d been given, and found Flor.  She was a tiny old woman sun-browned and dried, her impish face a leathery mess of wrinkles, her brown eyes sparkling, her teeth all rimmed with silver.  She wore a brilliant blue sweater and a skirt of deep blood red over neon pink felt petticoats, and a wide white sombrero.  Her legs were bare, and on her feet only a worn pair of black laced shoes.<br />
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We began to communicate as we walked, me struggling to understand her heavily-accented Spanish, she not always able to decipher my broken grammar and mispronounced words.  Her Quechua accent made for speech that seemed slurred and cut short, the vowels crushed and elongated like ovals, the  “o” becoming a “u.”  Where are we from? she asks.  How many children does she have? I counter.  I motion to the horses.  &#8220;Como se llama los caballos?  What are the horses called?&#8221;  She looked at me askance.  &#8220;Caballos,&#8221; she answers.  It should have been obvious.</p>
<p>We passed by a field being plowed by a man and two oxen:  they&#8217;re planting potatoes, Flor told us.  I told her that my father was a farmer of corn and wheat.  She raised an eyebrow.  No potatoes?<br />
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The people in the field knew her and called out greetings.  One old man raised his hat to us.  “Flor, donde encontraste los gringos, where did you find the gringos?”  She motioned back the direction we had come.  “And what are they doing?” he asked.  She shrugged.  “Just walking.”</p>
<p>What <em>were</em> we doing?  We had started wondering that ourselves as we followed Flor dutifully, lured by the promise of waterfalls, but beginning to suspect that she may just be taking us along for the company.</p>
<p>At the top of a steep hill we rested; she spread out her shawl for us and invited us to sit on it.  We did, and we spoke of familial things.  My age.  When we got married.  Where her children live now.</p>
<p>She was surprised at my age.  “I thought you were twelve or thirteen!” she laughed, slapping me on the back.  “So young!”  She teased Rob.  “How are you here with such a pretty girl?”  </p>
<p>After the rest we help her secure a pair of corrugated metal sheets on the barren walls of a house in construction.  The two sheets join a scattering of plastic sacks as the only protection these fragile walls have against the rain.  She says they&#8217;ve been working on the house for two weeks (she holds up both hands with all her fingers spread wide).  Progress seems rapid so far—hopefully they&#8217;ll get the roof on before the heavy rains come.</p>
<p>She sends Rob up the ladder and coaches him as he positions the sheet.  When he comes back down she looks at him approvingly.  “You weren&#8217;t scared?” she asks.  He answers no, and she grins.  “You&#8217;re a good gringo.  That&#8217;s why you&#8217;ve got such a pretty girl!”</p>
<p>I ask if we&#8217;re going to the waterfall next, and she nods her same vague affirmation.  &#8220;Me esperan, wait for me,&#8221; she says again as she goes back to retrieve her horses, but when she comes back she leads us to the main road, and it becomes apparent that we&#8217;re headed back toward Celendín.  She takes us through short cuts until we reach her street.  She asks us if we&#8217;ll spend the night—she rents rooms—and we tell her no, we already have a room rented in town.  She asks for a photo of us as a remembrance, and invites us back the next morning.<br />
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We go to the photo center and make prints of a few photos we think she&#8217;ll like, and return the next morning to give them to her.  Her hands are covered in flour dough, but she takes them, smiling.</p>
<p>Rob and I leave her home laughing at the absurdity of the encounter.  I keep wondering what parts of this story she&#8217;ll tell to friends to have them rolling on the floor laughing—just as we&#8217;ll do, as well.  Will our parts be the same, or will we have separate moments of hilarity, each unknown to the other?</p>


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